FOUR DISCIPLES; TWO QUESTIONS

two fingersPMW 2024-015 by Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr.

An Important Question
A reader of my blog wrote and asked an important question:

“Hello, and thanks for the interesting blog posts!

I have a question concerning the amount of the questions Jesus’ disciples asked him in Matthew’s version of the Olivet Discourse.

Those who reject the preteristic interpretation of the discourse, argue that disciples asked three questions:

1) when will these things be (the destruction of the temple, which they admit that Jesus talks a bit)

2) what will be the sign of your coming (the second advent)

3) what will be the sign of the end of age (the end of the present world order we all are living)

My question: Is there any grammatical or other structural arguments for two and not three questions?

The Proper Answer

In Mark 13 we learn that four disciples come to Jesus and privately ask him the questions that spark the Olivet Discourse: “As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew were questioning Him privately” (Mark 13:3). The number and identify of these disciples are glossed over in Matthew’s fuller version of the Discourse. Their fuller question is recorded in Matthew 24:3, which reads:

“As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, ‘Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the [a]end of the age?’”

Matthew 24 debate


Matthew 24 Debate: Past or Future?
(DVD by Ken Gentry and Thomas Ice)

Two hour public debate between Ken Gentry and Thomas Ice on the Olivet Discourse.

See more study materials at: www.KennethGentry.com


Unfortunately, many Christians believe their question involves three issues, whereas they actually involve only two. Let me explain.

Grammatically, we must note that the disciples are asking two questions: “Tell us, [1] when will these things be, and [2] what will be the sign of Your coming [parousia] and of the end [sunteleia] of the age?” (Matt. 24:3). The two interrogatives in Greek (pote, “when” and ti, “what”) show that two questions are being asked, not three.

Furthermore, the second question has three features that show that only one additional question is being asked. The first two features are grammatical; the last one is syntactical:

1. The second interrogative is ti (“what”). It governs the whole remainder of the sentence : “what will be … the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age”? No additional interrogative appears in the question. There are only two interrogatives because there are only two questions.

2. The singular form of the word “sign” (semeion) speaks of only one remaining issue. Their question involves only one “sign” (singular). This is true even though the one singular “sign” points to a compound event. Of what is this a sign? This singular sign points to “Your-coming-and-of-the-end-of-the-age.” That is, it is one sign referring to only one eschatological episode. This is because the coming of Christ marks the end of the age.


Understanding the Olivet Discourse understanding-the-olivet-discourse-3
By Ken Gentry
This 5 DVD lecture set was filmed at a Bible Conference in Florida. It explains the entire Olivet Discourse in Matt. 24–25 from the (orthodox) preterist perspective. This lecture series begins by carefully analyzing Matt. 24:3, which establishes the two-part structure of the Discourse. It shows that the first section of the Discourse (Matt. 24:4–35) deals with the coming destruction of the temple and Jerusalem in AD 70. This important prophetic event is also theologically linked to the Final Judgment at the end of history, toward which AD 70 is a distant pointer.

For more educational materials: www. KennethGentry.com


Now syntactically, the feminine singular genitive definite article tes (“the”) controls both the words parousia and sunteleias: “the … sign of Your-coming-and-of-the-end-of-the-age.” The second term sunteleias lacks a resumptive article. The Granville Sharpe Rule of the Article in Greek reads: when two singular common nouns are used to describe a person or thing, and those two nouns are in the same case and are joined by a conjunction, and the definite article precedes the first noun but not the second, then both nouns refer to the same things.

This being the case, Jesus’ parousia is linked with “the end of the age,” i.e., the end of temporal history. (I have other articles pointing out that “the end of the age” is the end of history and not the end of the old covenant era. And I am working on a book on that very topic, which is so prominent in Reformed theology.)

Thus, “Jesus separates what the disciples had joined together.” Because of this, “the key to the structure of this discourse on the Mount of Olives is the disciples’ double question in 24:3.” Though the disciples assumed the destruction of the temple and the parousia were concurrent, a proper understanding of the structure of Matthew 24 shows that Jesus did not accept their connection. Consequently, how these verses are understood controls how one understands the structure of the entire discourse. So then, with these two questions (“when” and “what”), the disciples are showing their confusion: they are asking about the time of the temple’s destruction, as if it will involve his second coming which ends universal history. (See my other articles pointing out the disciples’ general tendency to confusion, and especially their clear confusion here in asking their questions.)


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Olivet Discourse EZ

The Greatness of the Great Commission

Title of third book here

9 thoughts on “FOUR DISCIPLES; TWO QUESTIONS

  1. Fred V. Squillante's avatar
    Fred V. Squillante February 23, 2024 at 9:51 am

    I agree, except that end of the age is the Old Covenant age. Why don’t you explain why it’s otherwise.

  2. Calvin's avatar
    Calvin February 24, 2024 at 3:57 pm

    Hello Dr. Gentry.
    I am a partial preterist postmillennial and refer to this blog and your books often. I am tracking with you on this in principle. However, I think the sign of his 70 AD coming in judgement is separate from the “end of the age” second advent and general resurrection etc. Matthew is the only one of the 4 gospels to use the phrase “end of the age.” Connecting the dots, I see the “end of the age” in Matt 13 (wheat and dragnet parables) connecting to the “end of the age” in the Olivet discourse and pointing to Matt 25:31. Matthew is the only gospel that presents the believers/unbelievers “sorting” in Matt 25:31.

    In a nutshell, I think Matt 24 – Matt 25:30 is referring to 70 AD. Jesus responds to the “end of the age” portion of the question in Matt 25:31.

    So far as I am familiar your work, you end the Olivet discourse at/around 24:35.
    Why is that preferable to having the Olivet discourse cover the entirety of Matt 25 (with the end of the age 25:31ff)?

    Also, keeping in mind Matt 26:1 “When Jesus had finished all these sayings…”

  3. samijohannesgunther's avatar
    samijohannesgunther February 25, 2024 at 9:42 am

    Thank you so much for this clarifying answer!

  4. Kenneth Gentry's avatar
    Kenneth Gentry February 26, 2024 at 10:05 am

    The Olivet Discourse does not end at Matthew 24:35. Jesus’ answer to the disciples first question regarding the temple’s destruction ends at 24:35. At 24:36 Jesus begins dealing with their second question regarding the end of the age. And you are correct “the end of the age” in their question also appears in Matt 13 at the “end of the age” when the resurrection occurs. In a nutshell, Jesus is answering two questions which the disciples thought dealt with simultaneous events, but which Jesus makes plain refers to two separate events.

    Check out a few of the articles in this link. You will see why I hold to historic Reformed theology on “the end of the age” as being the end of temporal history when the general resurrection occurs.
    https://postmillennialworldview.com/?s=end+of+the+age&submit=Search

  5. Kenneth Gentry's avatar
    Kenneth Gentry February 26, 2024 at 10:07 am

    I have REPEATEDLY explained why it is not the end of the old covenant. This age is the fallen age under Adam; the age to come is the perfect, consummate age under the second Adam. Check out some of these articles:

    https://postmillennialworldview.com/?s=end+of+the+age&submit=Search

  6. calvincodger's avatar
    calvincodger February 26, 2024 at 7:24 pm

    Hello Dr Gentry.
    I had a typo in my previous question and that is exactly the part you honed in on. BTW, I already agree that the end of the age is the end of temporal history because of your article. Please allow me to try again.

    In a nutshell, I think Matt 24 – Matt 25:30 is referring to 70 AD. Jesus responds to the “end of the age” portion of the question in Matt 25:31.

    So far as I am familiar your work, you place the end of 70 AD portion at/around 24:35. Why is that preferable to having the 70 AD response cover the entirety of Matt 25 up until Matt 25:31ff?

  7. Kenneth Gentry's avatar
    Kenneth Gentry February 27, 2024 at 7:44 am

    There are many exegetical reasons for seeing the transition from AD 70 to the Second Advent. Here are a few of them. In my forthcoming book providing an expanded study of Olivet, I will provide seven more. I hope these are helpful. Notice also that the concept of the unknowability of the parousia is introduced in 24:36, then repeatedly illustrated in the pericopae that follow this.

    AD 70 AND THE SECOND ADVENT IN MATT 24 (Part 1)

    AD 70 AND THE SECOND ADVENT IN MATT 24 (Part 2)

    AD 70 AND THE SECOND ADVENT IN MATT 24 (Part 3)

  8. Kenneth Gentry's avatar
    Kenneth Gentry February 27, 2024 at 7:46 am

    “This age” clearly deal with fallen history from Adam, whereas “the age to come” is the eternal state after the general resurrection. I have several articles demonstrating this (the standard Reformed view) on this site. Check out a few of them.

  9. Noble Berean II's avatar
    Noble Berean II June 5, 2024 at 7:49 am

    Although your two-ages schema is new to me, you defend it with solid and convincing scholarship, along with the issue of the disciples’ two questions. Now I must take a second look at the whole passage of the Olivet discourse in Matt 24-25 from this fresh perspective.

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